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unsubscribe Steve CothranLab23 Controls4363 Wilmouth Creek RoadLiberty TN 37095615-849-6202www.lab23.comThis e-mail, and any attachments, is intended solely for use by the addressee(s) named above. It may contain the confidential or proprietary information of Lab23 Controls or its clients. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail or are an unauthorized recipient of the information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or any attachments, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts.Thank you. From: Disqus <notifications@disqus.net>To: steve@lab23.netSent: Friday, January 9, 2015 12:14 PMSubject: Re: Comment on Hack of German Steel Mill Marks Rare Occurrence of Physical Destruction #yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 a:hover, #yiv0640059031 a:hover span {color:#1188d2!important;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031button-cta:hover {color:#ffffff!important;background-color:#1188d2!important;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031button-cta:hover span {color:#ffffff!important;}#yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031outlook a {padding:0;}#yiv0640059031 body {width:100% !important;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031ReadMsgBody {width:100%;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031ExternalClass {width:100%;display:block;}#yiv0640059031 _filtered #yiv0640059031 {}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031content {width:100%;}#yiv0640059031 table {border-collapse:collapse;}#yiv0640059031 h2.yiv0640059031headline {font-weight:700;font-size:20px!important;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031button-cta {display:block!important;padding:0!important;}#yiv0640059031 div.yiv0640059031header {padding-top:20px;}#yiv0640059031 div.yiv0640059031footer {padding-bottom:20px;}#yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 p.yiv0640059031mod-tools a:hover {color:white!important;background:#8c989f!important;}#yiv0640059031 _filtered #yiv0640059031 {}#yiv0640059031 td.yiv0640059031avatar img, #yiv0640059031 td.yiv0640059031spacer img {width:28px!important;}#yiv0640059031 "The issue wasn't the inability to shut it down. The issue was the inability to do so in a controlled manner. So the STOP you are referring to (known industry wide as an E-STOP) is not the issue. It would be the same as your throttle getting stuck open on your vehicle while driving at speed on the highway with other motorists around you. You decide to kill the ignition on your vehicle by turning the key off. Sure you killed the motor, but now you lost power steering and power assisted brakes. Can you come to a stop safely? Most likely. Is there great potential to have an accident while doing so? Indeed there is. No PLC automation programmer worth his salt is going to rely strictly on programmable stops. No engineer worth his salt is going to design a system without real world stops in place. Not to mention the very strict OSHA requirements in place reqyiring these things or the fact that a company isn't going to keep him employed for very long." | || |  Settings | ||   || || ||A new comment was posted on Wired.com|| ||| |adam yeagerThe issue wasn't the inability to shut it down. The issue was the inability to do so in a controlled manner. So the STOP you are referring to (known industry wide as an E-STOP) is not the issue. It would be the same as your throttle getting stuck open on your vehicle while driving at speed on the highway with other motorists around you. You decide to kill the ignition on your vehicle by turning the key off. Sure you killed the motor, but now you lost power steering and power assisted brakes. Can you come to a stop safely? Most likely. Is there great potential to have an accident while doing so? Indeed there is.No PLC automation programmer worth his salt is going to rely strictly on programmable stops. No engineer worth his salt is going to design a system without real world stops in place. Not to mention the very strict OSHA requirements in place reqyiring these things or the fact that a company isn't going to keep him employed for very long. 1:14 p.m., Friday Jan. 9 | Other comments by adam yeager |   |||   | Reply to adam yeager |   |||   ||| adam yeager’s comment is in reply to Steve Cothran: ||   || | Yes. Any engineer that gives a PLC or computer final control (as in "STOP") of any system is a damned idiot. Where the "Air Gap ...Read more ||| || || || You're receiving this message because you're signed up to receive notifications about replies to steve_cothran. You can unsubscribe from emails about replies to steve_cothran by replying to this email with "unsubscribe" or reduce the rate with which these emails are sent by adjusting your notification settings. | | || |

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Steve CothranLab23 Controls4363 Wilmouth Creek RoadLiberty TN 37095615-849-6202www.lab23.comThis e-mail, and any attachments, is intended solely for use by the addressee(s) named above. It may contain the confidential or proprietary information of Lab23 Controls or its clients. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail or are an unauthorized recipient of the information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or any attachments, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify the sender by reply e-mail and permanently delete the original and any copies or printouts.Thank you. From: Disqus <notifications@disqus.net>To: steve@lab23.netSent: Friday, January 9, 2015 12:14 PMSubject: Re: Comment on Hack of German Steel Mill Marks Rare Occurrence of Physical Destruction #yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 a:hover, #yiv0640059031 a:hover span {color:#1188d2!important;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031button-cta:hover {color:#ffffff!important;background-color:#1188d2!important;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031button-cta:hover span {color:#ffffff!important;}#yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031outlook a {padding:0;}#yiv0640059031 body {width:100% !important;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031ReadMsgBody {width:100%;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031ExternalClass {width:100%;display:block;}#yiv0640059031 _filtered #yiv0640059031 {}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031content {width:100%;}#yiv0640059031 table {border-collapse:collapse;}#yiv0640059031 h2.yiv0640059031headline {font-weight:700;font-size:20px!important;margin-bottom:5px;}#yiv0640059031 .yiv0640059031button-cta {display:block!important;padding:0!important;}#yiv0640059031 div.yiv0640059031header {padding-top:20px;}#yiv0640059031 div.yiv0640059031footer {padding-bottom:20px;}#yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 #yiv0640059031 p.yiv0640059031mod-tools a:hover {color:white!important;background:#8c989f!important;}#yiv0640059031 _filtered #yiv0640059031 {}#yiv0640059031 td.yiv0640059031avatar img, #yiv0640059031 td.yiv0640059031spacer img {width:28px!important;}#yiv0640059031 "The issue wasn't the inability to shut it down. The issue was the inability to do so in a controlled manner. So the STOP you are referring to (known industry wide as an E-STOP) is not the issue. It would be the same as your throttle getting stuck open on your vehicle while driving at speed on the highway with other motorists around you. You decide to kill the ignition on your vehicle by turning the key off. Sure you killed the motor, but now you lost power steering and power assisted brakes. Can you come to a stop safely? Most likely. Is there great potential to have an accident while doing so? Indeed there is. No PLC automation programmer worth his salt is going to rely strictly on programmable stops. No engineer worth his salt is going to design a system without real world stops in place. Not to mention the very strict OSHA requirements in place reqyiring these things or the fact that a company isn't going to keep him employed for very long." | || |  Settings | ||   || || ||A new comment was posted on Wired.com|| ||| |adam yeagerThe issue wasn't the inability to shut it down. The issue was the inability to do so in a controlled manner. So the STOP you are referring to (known industry wide as an E-STOP) is not the issue. It would be the same as your throttle getting stuck open on your vehicle while driving at speed on the highway with other motorists around you. You decide to kill the ignition on your vehicle by turning the key off. Sure you killed the motor, but now you lost power steering and power assisted brakes. Can you come to a stop safely? Most likely. Is there great potential to have an accident while doing so? Indeed there is.No PLC automation programmer worth his salt is going to rely strictly on programmable stops. No engineer worth his salt is going to design a system without real world stops in place. Not to mention the very strict OSHA requirements in place reqyiring these things or the fact that a company isn't going to keep him employed for very long. 1:14 p.m., Friday Jan. 9 | Other comments by adam yeager |   |||   | Reply to adam yeager |   |||   ||| adam yeager’s comment is in reply to Steve Cothran: ||   || | Yes. Any engineer that gives a PLC or computer final control (as in "STOP") of any system is a damned idiot. Where the "Air Gap ...Read more ||| || || || You're receiving this message because you're signed up to receive notifications about replies to steve_cothran. You can unsubscribe from emails about replies to steve_cothran by replying to this email with "unsubscribe" or reduce the rate with which these emails are sent by adjusting your notification settings. | | || |

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